Legislature(2001 - 2002)

03/22/2002 01:10 PM House RES

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HB 462-CONFIDENTIALITY OF FISHING RECORDS                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MASEK announced the final  order of business, HOUSE BILL                                                               
NO. 462, "An Act relating  to the release of certain confidential                                                               
records  and reports  concerning  fishing, fish  buying, or  fish                                                               
processing; and providing for an effective date."                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 0961                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GREEN  moved  to  adopt  CSHB  462,  version  22-                                                               
LS1401\F,  Utermohle, 3/21/01,  as the  working document.   There                                                               
being no objection, Version F was before the committee.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STEVENS,   sponsor  of   HB  462,   informed  the                                                               
committee  that the  only change  is to  insert "fishermen,"  [on                                                           
page  1, line  7],  in order  to ensure  that  fishermen who  are                                                               
catchers and exporters are covered by this.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 1043                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
GORDY WILLIAMS, Legislative Liaison,  Office of the Commissioner,                                                               
Alaska Department of  Fish & Game (ADF&G), began  by thanking the                                                               
committee for holding the bill  over so that the department could                                                               
work  on  some  definitions.    He  pointed  out  that  the  word                                                               
"fishermen" had been  included in the new  language regarding the                                                               
annual  statistical  report,   the  Commercial  Operators  Annual                                                               
Report  (COAR) discussed  on  page  1, line  7,  and  on page  2,                                                               
paragraphs (7),  (8), and (9).   Before  the first hearing  on HB
462,  he recalled,  there was  an  issue with  regard to  whether                                                               
catcher-exporter  fishermen  who  also submit  a  COAR  would  be                                                               
covered under the confidentiality.   The report [under Version F]                                                               
would  be  able to  be  returned  to  this  group, and  would  be                                                               
available to the  [Department of] Public Safety  and the National                                                               
Marine  Fisheries Service  (NMFS).   This is  merely a  technical                                                               
change, he added.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
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REPRESENTATIVE GREEN  asked why fishermen  need to be  brought in                                                               
under this confidentiality.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. WILLIAMS  answered that [Version  F] doesn't  bring fishermen                                                               
in  under   the  confidentiality   aspect  any  more   than  they                                                               
technically  already  are.   Of  those  who  submit a  COAR,  the                                                               
catcher-exporter  group doesn't  really fit  well as  a buyer  or                                                               
processor.   However, this group  is submitting a COAR;  thus the                                                               
desire  is to  provide clarity  that the  catcher-exporter's COAR                                                               
will also  be held confidential.   No new reports  from fishermen                                                               
are being required, he pointed out.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN  asked why it's important  to fishermen that                                                               
their COARs remain confidential.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WILLIAMS explained  that the  COARs have  fairly proprietary                                                               
information with  regard to  what was bought,  and in  some cases                                                               
lists  the wholesale  price.   This is  information submitted  to                                                               
ADF&G  and  the  Department  of   Revenue  for  the  purposes  of                                                               
statistical  analysis   and  good  fisheries  management.     The                                                               
department wants to hold these  reports confidential because they                                                               
contain information  that isn't available to  the general public.                                                               
Mr. Williams  pointed out that on  the fish ticket there  is some                                                               
discreet information  with regard to  the location of  the catch;                                                               
that  information  is  desired  [by the  fishermen]  to  be  kept                                                               
confidential.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 1415                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FATE announced that he  gets fish tickets, and yet                                                               
everyone on his stretch of the  river knows what he caught, where                                                               
he caught  it, and how  much he was paid  for it.   Therefore, he                                                               
said  he  didn't  understand  the   confidentiality  issue.    He                                                               
questioned  the good  of enforcing  confidentiality that  [to his                                                               
belief] doesn't even exist.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STEVENS  pointed out that  it is different  in the                                                               
rivers versus  the ocean.   He explained  that the real  point of                                                               
the bill  is to allow  fishermen to  get the reports  returned to                                                               
them for various reasons.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WILLIAMS agreed.    He  said that  once  the information  is                                                               
received by the state, the  [department] feels that those reports                                                               
should be  held confidential because they  do include proprietary                                                               
and discreet  information.  What  fishermen or  processors choose                                                               
to do with their own information is their business.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FATE  proposed  that   there  are  two  different                                                               
fisheries in  the state:   a "blue  water" fishery and  a smaller                                                               
"brown  water" fishery.   It  seems  often things  are done  with                                                               
regard  to  fishing that  don't  consider  the latter,  he  said,                                                               
although he acknowledged that this  particular bill wouldn't hurt                                                               
it.   He  expressed hope  that  future bills  will consider  that                                                               
there is more than one fishery in the state.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. WILLIAMS  affirmed that  this legislation  is generic  to all                                                               
fisheries.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MASEK, noting  that no one wanted  to testify, announced                                                               
that public testimony was closed.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 1726                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GREEN  moved  to  report CSHB  462,  version  22-                                                               
LS1401\F, Utermohle,  3/21/02, out  of committee  with individual                                                               
recommendations  and the  accompanying zero  fiscal note.   There                                                               
being  no objection,  CSHB 462(RES)  was moved  out of  the House                                                               
Resources Standing Committee.                                                                                                   

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